Time To Wake Up!

[Kent]

This thread, my comments are my personal views at this time, and I don’t see myself changing my views anytime soon.
I am now ashamed of my elected officials for the most part and dismayed at what they are doing, saying and trying to do to this great nation of ours. I am even more ashamed of the party I have declared myself as being part of, that being the Democratic Party. Not because I follow their stands or current purpose but because I believe in the rot values of what I understand it to be, that of the majority votes and not allowing a single person to make his or her opinions my own. Maybe I’m naive or just unlearned in what it means, but I do believe in a majority vote and actions that follow are done so because of it.

No one likes a long post, so I will try and keep mine as short as possible and to the point, but I am pissed at some things, outraged at others and tired of the sugar coating that is going on, so some of what will follow might sound like a rant, some will be I am sure, some will spark arguments which I won’t get personal I hope but remember we each have the right to our own opinions and to voice them, and some might make you sick, and I do mean you might throw up.

I will say this now. I plan to embed video clips that will show you what you might not wish to see or know about. They will be horrific and graphic. They might cause nightmares, but I hope in the end you will become outraged and wake up and realize that like what happened in WWII and Korea and Japan, that if we don’t stop it there it will come here.

[Kent]

Some high ranking democrats are up in arms over waterboarding.

Waterboarding is a torture technique that simulates drowning in a controlled environment. It consists of immobilizing an individual on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face to force the inhalation of water into the lungs. Waterboarding has been used to obtain information, coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate. In contrast to merely submerging the head, waterboarding elicits the gag reflex, and can make the subject believe death is imminent.

So? By definition it's an illusion, right? Scary? Sure it is, hell that's what it takes to get information from someone not willing to talk. This is a war and with war comes things that are bad, but to rip apart and show a separation of unity in a time of war to me is treasonous.

Here is what is being said:

Published December 8, 2007 AP

WASHINGTON(AP) Angry congressional Democrats demanded Friday that the Justice Department investigate why the CIA destroyed videotapes of the interrogation of two terrorism suspects.

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin of Illinois, called on Attorney General Michael Mukasey to find out "whether CIA officials who destroyed these videotapes and withheld information about their existence from official proceedings violated the law."

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., accused the CIA of a cover-up. "We haven't seen anything like this since the 18 1/2-minute gap in the tapes of President Richard Nixon," he said in a Senate floor speech.

And Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., told reporters the CIA's explanation that the tapes were destroyed to protect agents' identities is "a pathetic excuse," adding: "You'd have to burn every document at the CIA that has the identity of an agent on it under that theory."

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee sent letters to CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden and Mukasey asking whether the Justice Department gave legal advice to the CIA on the destruction of the tapes, and whether it was planning an obstruction-of-justice investigation.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Friday that President Bush did not recall being told about the tapes or their destruction. But she could not rule out White House involvement in the decision to destroy the tapes, saying she had only asked the president about it, not others.

Perino refused to say whether the destruction could have been an obstruction of justice or a threat to cases against terrorism suspects. If the attorney general decides to investigate, "of course the White House would support that," she said.

In a daily press briefing dedicated almost solely to the topic of the CIA tapes, Perino responded 19 times that she didn't know or couldn't comment.

At least one White House official, then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers, knew about the CIA's planned destruction of videotapes in 2005 that documented the interrogation of two al-Qaida operatives, ABC news reported Friday. Three officials told ABC News that Miers urged the CIA not to destroy the tapes. White House officials declined to comment on the report.

The spy agency destroyed the tapes in November 2005, at a time when human rights groups and lawyers for detainees were clamoring for information about the agency's secret detention and interrogation program, and Congress and U.S. courts were debating where "enhanced interrogation" crossed the line into torture.

Also at that time, the Senate Intelligence Committee was asking whether the videotapes showed CIA interrogators were complying with interrogation guidelines. The CIA refused twice in 2005 to provide the committee with its general counsel's report on the tapes, according to Committee Chairman Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.

Hayden told agency employees Thursday that the recordings were destroyed out of fear the tapes would leak and reveal the identities of interrogators. He said the sessions were videotaped to provide an added layer of legal protection for interrogators using new, harsh methods. President Bush had just authorized those methods as a way to break down the defenses of recalcitrant prisoners.

Destruction of the tapes came in the midst of an intense national debate about how forcefully prisoners could be grilled to get them to talk. Not long after the tapes were destroyed, Congress adopted the Detainee Treatment Act, championed by Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was tortured while a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The law prohibits not only torture, but cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of all U.S. detainees, including those in CIA custody.

Also in the fall of 2005, the Supreme Court heard a case involving the legal rights of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. It decided in June 2006 that al-Qaida prisoners are protected by the Geneva Conventions' prohibitions on torture and cruel treatment.

The Senate Intelligence Committee did not learn of the tapes' destruction until November 2006, and Rockefeller said he was not told in 2003 of the plan to destroy them. The House Intelligence Committee learned of the tapes' destruction in March 2007.

Republicans were mostly mum about the CIA disclosure. McCain, a presidential candidate, said while campaigning in New Hampshire on Friday that he would not side with Democrats' calls for an investigation because he believed the CIA's actions were legal.

"That doesn't mean I like it," McCain added.

"Of course I object to it," he said of the tapes being destroyed. "Right now, our intelligence agencies need credibility and this is not helpful to that."

At least one of the tapes showed the interrogations of Abu Zubaydah, the first high-value detainee taken by the CIA in 2002. Zubaydah, under harsh questioning, told CIA interrogators about alleged 9/11 accomplice Ramzi Binalshibh, Bush said publicly in 2006. The two men's confessions also led to the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whom the U.S. government said was the mastermind behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

[Kent]

Well duh Mr. Mccain, of course you object to it you presidential hopeful. I really wanted to use you presidential hopeful ****tard you, but that would be wrong, right?

He along with so many others were POW themselves during the Vietnam War and were tortured in ways unspeakable. Some folded and some didn't but most took it because it's war and folding would cause other Americans to be killed, but torture is a given in wars and always will be. It's an evil but needed thing to happen to usually end things sooner with the least amount of death possible, unless the country is just so screwed up and killing is what they do, which folks, if you think that these extremist ragheads aren't focused on killing you, then you really need to wake up.
By the way, don't like me using slang? To bad, I don't care.

We have to get this information somehow and excuse me for being dumb but asking them hey, "are there sleeper cells on US soil and where will the next mass killing or any killing of Americans take place at and expecting them to freely tell us", well for some reason I'm thinking that just isn't going to happen.

[Kent]

They want to talk about waterboarding being torture, but what about the knowledge of having your head hacked off if they catch you? What the hell is that, a love letter? And waterboarding is just one thing they're up in arms about, if we let them, the goodie twoshoes get their way, we'd treat them like confined guest.

So why am I going on about it? Because I think it's damn well time we see for ourselves and not just what the idiots giving the news wants us too. And sure we know that beheading is done and hey it's war, that's just part of it, but hold on a damn minute, are you thinking it's done fast and smooth? Think the person doesn't really know what is coming and that it will be over quick like was done during the Korean War as shown below? Right, think again.

[Kent]

Nick Berg. A lot out there that want you to think it didn't happen and to say that the US faked it or made it seem that the FBI did it, how freaking stupid do they think we are? This guy was there to make some money, damn evil stuff that it is, and who cares if he was a spy, he's an American and they butchered him, that's all I need to know and when I see this I really have no problem that some of those that want to do this to me and you get tortured.

[Kent]

Another American that was in Iraq to help, make some money, and who cares what else. And take a look at the knife, not the sword but the knife they used. Think it was fast and painless?


Still think waterboarding is so damn bad?

[Kent]

This link takes you to a video showing the brutal murder of an American by those that some so called righteous Americans think should not be tortured or treated ill to find out what they know about who is killing us, planning to kill us or doing this to our own and others of other nations. You know, I look at this and think there is nothing, not a single damn thing that should not be done.

Are you afraid to watch it? Afraid of seeing just what they do? Don't want to see such a horrible act of violence? Want to keep it sanitary and not take it personal so afraid to click it and see exactly how this fellow American reacts to hearing them read whatever it is, watch as he begins to shake and realize he is about to be dead? Don't think you can handle hearing them hack at his neck, trying to scream, hearing the gurgling as the blood pours out?
This isn't Friends or Law & Order, House of Greys folks, this shit is real and if we don't stop it, it will begin to happen to you and me right here and don't think for a minute that this isn't their goal.


http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/VIDEO-BEHEADING-Eugene-Armstrong.WMV

[Peggy]

Reading this and watching those... literally made me ill.

They should consider waterboarding a blessing. Whatever happened to "an eye for an eye"? How can they torture our people and we have to handle them with kid gloves??

And what the hell are our elected officials thinking?!?!?

[Kent]

My fellow Americans:

As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.

I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.

I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. And Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively. And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.

Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement , but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt. I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.

Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me.



Thank You.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

[Peggy]

LOL - I can't believe that I actually thought about voting for him - for all of about 30 seconds.

[Kent]

LOL - I can't believe that I actually thought about voting for him - for all of about 30 seconds.

:huh:

so, for 30 seconds you went off your rocker eh?

[Peggy]

happens all the time...