Presidential Race

[Peggy]

Who are you likely to vote for? Use the poll, and tell us why below.

[topcatoh]

I do not trust obama..... he is/was associated with ACORN which was/is part of the current financial problem. Acorn was forcing banks to give loans to those who really could not afford the payments through threats of lawsuits which would have prvented or delayed transactions that banks wanted to under take to improve their business.

Not that McCain is a great candidate either..... He has a little more experience, he served his country in the military and he picked a femal VP. bout time.

[Peggy]

I'm definitely voting for McCain.

I do not trust Obama on so many different levels, one being stated above.

I'm really not so sure that McCain is the greatest choice either, due to Republicans track record of tax cuts to the "rich" while leaving the middle class and us lower-income folks behind....

I guess I'm thinking he's the "lesser of two evils"?

[Kent]

I've already filed an absentee and while I doubt it will count, I voted (wrote in) for Fred Thompson

[jstrats]

Wow! This is in direct opposition to "all that you hear and read." There must be a bunch of conservatives...I guess:popworm: on this site.

[Kent]

If someone knows me, conservative doesn't come to mind, I think. Nor am I all that liberal. I like to consider myself a patriot and one that believes in the wording of the Constitution. These leaders and folks that say a better way had to be made, weren't stupid or ignorant. They used the words and terms of the time and while some have been modified, taken from old English, as it were, the meaning isn't there to be second guessed I feel.
A prudent person knows that it's rare that 2 or more people or groups of people are going to see the exact thing the same way.
Example; A red towel is seen hanging on a line.

Group one will proclaim they observed a piece of material that was a fabric, blood red in color attached to a line and was blowing back and forth in the breeze.

Group two will be stanch in saying they came upon a Red Banner secured to a lanyard thus meaning harmful intent to anyone passing by, so call the officials as those living upon the land must be malcontents.

Then you have group three, who will sit for months debate what type of fabric it was made of, how many feet of rope was used and where it was produced, if they paid to much or little for it and if they used local hemp or went to another county to get it because we have to support our neighbors, and why it wasn't blue. Did these people have a bias against of colors? Dear god, the racist pigs!

Then there is group X, they walk by, see the others in heated debate, tempers so hot it could scorch the flesh, take only a glance and see it's a cotton towel on a cotton clothes line hung between two trees and it was red and then wonder what the big deal was, and want so badly to tell the others that they were making something out of nothing and how simple a thing this red towel was and that they needed to stop wasting their time and efforts in such a useless endeavor, but no, they are scared to say a thing since they weren't to schools of higher learning and are politicians so they know what they're doing. They don't have the balls to stand up and tell them to stop wasting their taxes on such ignorant meetings and to tackle the issue of the warship entering the harbor loaded with those that would cause them all harm and take what they and their ancestors fought for, so they walk on, all the while knowing the others had no grasp on what the people needed or wanted.


So then, this election we have what seems to be the most idiotic bunch or morons we're ever had. It's like a damn sitcom on TV. Is it about age? You bet. Is it about race? Damn right it is. Is it about the few with a trained tongue and rich people? Ya think?

Borassobamama is so full of himself and I think, one of the most full of shit people I've even seen in my life. The debate the other night I got so pissed seeing him smirk I wanted to smash the TV. He has the gift of gab and that's about it. Anyone that knows about the office of the president knows a smart one will gather those that know, have training, knowledge and the ability to deal with all aspects of running a nation, but did people not hear it when he said within an answer that yes, he will surround himself with others from both parties and various areas? He said, hell he all but admitted that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing so he has to have others around to give the answers and he'll sit and rubber stamp orders.

And McCain, wow, he hurt himself by not being himself. I've seen him over the years, even met him once and that isn't the guy I remember. He let himself get flustered and angry. I understand that to a point. He's is part of the same ol same ol but I think and hope, realizes that things must change and that he has a good chance of really making a difference. But, he has also shown that he's not willing to just say it like it is, to be real. Has to play the party line. How he got the nod is still beyond me, but it's clear which republican should have been there, and that's Fred Thompson.

McCain needs to listen to Fred and take some lessons. If he does he still might have a chance. Fred knows that people are sick and tired of the same old crap and even has no problem saying it up front. Maybe that's why he lost the nod, for when he said he'd take on his own party if he felt they were wrong, well who wants that? ME!

Now someone find the KY jelly cause weren't all about to get a huge ........ well, you know what I mean I bet

[Peggy]

I don't consider myself a 'conservative', politically speaking, altho the one "catch" in the democratic arena - abortion - I am opposed to vehemently.

I've always voted for the man whom I thought would do the better job. This time around, it seems that we have a choice between the lesser of two evils. I believe these two men are, inherently, good men. But I have fundamental differences with Barack Obama that will, and would always, deter me from voting for him.

[Hazguy]

What???

No "none of the above"??????

[Peggy]

haha I thought about it afterwards, but couldn't find where to edit the poll at. :rolleyes:

[donttreadonme]

What about the Constitutional Party . I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin . You know there is more than two choices for president right ! If you've been tricked or other wise conned into voting for some lesser of the two evils then you've truly waisted your vote by not voting for the best guy in your mind and not just the guy that might beat the other guy you don't want to win . so sad :( .

[Peggy]

If Chuck Baldwin were indeed actively running, and we knew more about him, he might be a viable choice. But I doubt that many people have even heard of him. I know I haven't. If he wants a chance at the White House, he has to campaign and make himself known.

I'm not voting for either candidate just because I don't want the other one to win. Give us a little credit.

[Kent]

Chuck Baldwin??? Never heard of him or about him, and as has been said, a person has to have viable national exposure to even be considered.

And I will say this for myself and as a reminder since this can get to be a spirited exchange. We have the right to agree to disagree and respect each others views. that said....

Even dancing around a statement that one is throwing away a vote is something I can't accept well. Every election has it's idiots and bafoons, and while I'm not saying this Chuck person is either, why would I want to truly throw my vote in the wind for someone that's not nationally known, who isn't getting his or her name in the public eye and we know not a thing about them, their knowledge or lack of, their ideas, ideals and goals? To make a statement?

If one really wants to show and maybe even make a change and wake the good old boys up, there is someone that is nationally known, has the knowledge. Has the history and record and has and is in the public eye, that if people would write him in could win and I think be one of the most outstanding presidents in our history, Fred Thompson!

Why isn't he on the ballots now? Because he waited to long to jump in? Hell, he waited to see where the minds of America was and I feel because he realized that over-exposure can do more harm than good, and what I really liked was how little bashing he did and more than once he denounced such actions. But no, the people don't want or can't deal with someone that tried to do right, tries to uphold established values and wants to bring back those that have been forgotten. They don't know how to grasp someone that says things like they are. No, they want a show, some glitter, some mud slinging that serves nothing good. They want someone that that took How to make a speech 101 and is pouring more money that ever in American history into a bullshit campaign. Someone that won't show a simple piece of paper that shows he is a real American born citizen to prove that he isn't one from Kanya, Africa. One that has lived his life since a child in a radical family and learning those ideals. Has close ties with known terrorist and has supported the same. No, now we get told he was a kid, those were people that he doesn't deal with and or never has. How big a pile of shit do people need to stand in before they say, damn, that stinks!

If this Chuck Baldwin is for real and really cares, the he should get anyone that would support him to write in Fred Thompson and get our country back in order.

[donttreadonme]

You IMHO are not throwing away your vote when you vote for the best guy for the job . Fact . My comments may have been misunderstood . let me explain . If you feel you have to vote for McCain in order to stop Obama from becoming Pres. then IMHO you are throwing your vote away . It's not a matter of voting for the guy most likely to beat the guy you don't want in office , that's not the idea . If everyone did their own research on every candidate that was going to be on the Ohio ballot and then chose the best guy or gal for the job we would be far better off as a country IMHO .
The Major News media have near total control over everything you think you know . They choose what they think you need to know and ignore the rest . so you only know what they tell you . your own research is vital . :ohioflag:

[Peggy]

That, I can absolutely agree with. :yes:

[Kent]

that much is true, and it's what irks me to no end about people these days. Ya know, maybe the voter turn out will be extremely light this time around since so many clearly have their heads up their ass, that is unless their just bent over while the media and most government is slamming it to'em.

Just, my thoughts on the matter ;)

[Peggy]

To the contrary, this was the heaviest voter turnout it history, according to political historians on CNN last night.

[Kent]

tis be true and Johnson & Johnson and the makers of KY jelly had a record setting sales report :cool:

[popowich]

It was close. I ended up voting Obama, and am pretty sure I'm going to regret it.

-Raymond

[Peggy]

Let's hope not sweetie, let's hope not.

[donttreadonme]

NOW WHAT?


by Mary Starrett
NewsWithViews.com
There is no sugarcoating the results of this election.
Obama’s been elected, and short of a victory in the court challenge of his citizenship status, we will see this man sworn in as president in a few short months.
If you’re like me, you’ve vacillated from disbelief to despair to anger to ennui.
Much like the four stages of grief- denial (he couldn’t possibly wind up winning this election) bargaining for time (the current lawsuits over his eligibility) anger (how could the American people be so blind?) finally, acceptance (ok, he won, now what?)
Now that we face the unthinkable, we have to do just that. Stop and think about what to do next.
First, we acknowledge Providence in all this and turn our country’s fate over to the hand of God, as the colonists did when the British were quartered in their homes and their very lives were at stake.
Second, we work methodically to get the word out so we can get enough people to wake up between now and 2012.
Third, we find ways to turn chicken manure into chicken salad.
Can we do that?
Despite the bad news and the vote tallies showing more Americans (including Evangelicals, Catholics, “Conservatives” and “Republicans”) voted for Obama, we know that the GOP is DOA. The Republican Party, in an effort to be all things to all people wound up being a mirror image of the Democrats. On every issue from immigration to gun rights to taxation, to “bailouts” to government intervention, to bigger, more bloated and intrusive government the Republicans ignored their base and will join the Whig Party in the substrata of political party fossil beds.
Although many voters who consider themselves “conservative” have demonstrated their willingness to vote for uber liberal candidates simply because they attach an “R” to their names, the game is over and they will heretofore be faced with a pressing decision: Continue to vote for the lesser evil or dig out of the two party quicksand and move on.
Recent political commentaries have predicted by 2012, we will be living with food shortages, tax revolts, homelessness and general chaos.
Before things disintegrate to that level, let us make a pact to get busy at the local level to work for third party ballot access, election reform and holding those who have been elected accountable for every vote they cast on our behalf.
Take comfort that selfless men and women from third parties who run for office are challenging the powerful duopoly in state and federal government. One Constitution Party candidate cost a Republican incumbent U.S. Senator his job because he ran as the only true conservative.
That sent a message to the GOP that voters are tiring of Republicans in drag.
Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin was denied a forum in debates, ignored by media and lacked the $650 million Barack Obama raised (albeit largely illegally) to buy his new job. Still, 180,000 Americans looked at what he stood for and cast their precious vote for the principles he embodied. Others voted for Barr, Nader, McKinney and a host of other third party candidates because they put principle over party. This is no time to break weak. During the next four years, we can do some amazing things if we have the guts to defy the odds.

[Peggy]

I wonder how you'll feel if he actually accomplishes what he has promised?

[Kent]

He promised change, and that along with good public speaking skills and more money pumped in that ever before into a campaign, he got his ass elected, and oh yea, he promised change.
He promised not to build his staff with those of the old school and those that "contributed", and that was a bold statement and I bet got some votes, but not even the first 10 days go by and what? He's lied. Wow, so where's that change he talked about?
He promised no more status quo, yet he lied. No more party politics, and he's lied.

So is this what we have to look forward too? Just another bold face liar in the white house? And what of the youth he bullshitted to get their votes, will they first, be able to get their heads out of their collective ass's and see that they were lied too? And if they do, will they feel let down and turn their backs on who knows how many future votes?

All I've seen him accomplish so far is to shit backwards and excuse me, but that's no change, none at all.

[chesney40]

Good Golly, he's not even in office and your already calling the kettle black? He cant do anything yet Kent. He's not in office yet. I believe in the President Elect more than I ever have in any other President I've know of in my lifetime. I think he deserves the chance to prove himself at least. And I am sorry that Republicans are feeling the way they are about Obama. Just goes to show how sore losers they are. I hate hate hate voicing opinions about politics. I am not the smartest when it comes to this stuff. But I've really tried to be as informed and educated on everything when it came to this election. I've watched CNN all day long at times since about May. I've learned that Obama may not be able to do everything as he promised. There isnt enough time in 4 years to do all the good he would like to do. I think he is trying to meet the republicans half way. But it will take time. They've all got to want to work together. And I dont feel its fair for any of us to put too much judgement towards someone who is not in office yet. Its easier for all of us to grumble about what is/ or isnt being done. I wouldnt want the job as President. Would you?

[Peggy]

woo hoo I just love a good debate! :bunny:

[chesney40]

:uwelcome::grouphug: Thanks and BIG GROUP HUG LOL!!!!!

[Kent]

Just to clear my remarks up, what I said does reflect on him as of now, as he is clearly doing now what he so called promised he wouldn't do in filling the slots for his team, so it's on him and him alone for all that's said. Once he's in office, then the real fun will begin and sorry, but when one takes on a public role they are fair game for comments and remarks, both good and bad.

And, in case I might have been tossed in to the poor loser group or republicans, sorry, but I'm a Democrat, same as obamamamass ;)

[donttreadonme]

"But I've really tried to be as informed and educated on everything when it came to this election. I've watched CNN all day long at times since about May."

OMG :frustrated: At best he's a socialist . Do you know what that means ? You could never know enough about all the candidates that are running by watching CNN " Communist News Network " . It's sad really , people think they learn enough to make an educated decision on something as important as voting for president of the United States by watching CNN . LOL . (text removed) and many many others that are responsible for our country going Straight to Hell . Congrats (text removed) .

This country does not need change !!! you heard me correctly we don't need change . WE NEED Constitutional Restoration and fast . Changing sh!t's what got us into this mess in the first place ! Most of the change you probably want can be had by following the constitution , not making new laws and implementing new restrictions on the people of this once great republic .

[Peggy]

ummmmmmmmm..... hello?

While we certainly encourage our members to to speak their minds, we also ask that it be done without name-calling and put-downs. Calling someone ignorant certainly falls within those parameters, imo. Please refrain from this since, as an intelligent man, I'm sure you can find a way to get your point across without doing so.

Thanks :)

[donttreadonme]

Sorry Chesney40 and Peggy for the misunderstanding , I'm not name calling . :no:
Definition
Ignorant "3rd. definition is" : Uninformed ; inexperienced : with in .
the uninformed part is what I was referring to that's all .

[Peggy]

Thanks sweetie!

Ok now that he has been elected prez, and it's almost a for sure that's he's going to the White House......

What now?

What are your thoughts here, dtom? Anyone for that matter?

[donttreadonme]

He's been chosen by his words and now we will judge him by his actions . Now we wait .
Have any of you guys seen rumors about the 21st 22nd of January 09 . There may be some kind of incident of which I have no idea what it may be . Only time will tell . I'll post a YouTube link .

[donttreadonme]

This is what most people are talking about .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLPOeQZdHYw



This is the vice president elect talking , dose this concern any of you that he knows somethings going to happen . He said it not me .only time will tell . I prefer nothing to happen it seems every time something happens we loose more rights . It's not just these two clips look around and see what else you can find .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwb9l0DtRA&feature=related

[Kent]

I don't know what's worse, the ignorant people that buy into these type of things or the ignorant people that flame the fire of rumors and clips taken out of context to alarm others, the first ignorant being inflected in the common use and understanding of the word, the last being the defined usage, so I think all bases are covered?

It's not rocket science that the probability of some event taking place is going to happen, so much so that it makes me want to go, duh!
And more to the point, why wait for the 21st or 22nd, the fact that those two clips and more are already out that, and alarming some, even by the fact that it's now been posted here is proof that the attack has already begun, the something is here and now, and they've won once again. And these clips and those spreading it are no better than those that planted the seed to begin with. I can sit here and proclaim that soon, some one is going to cause a major incident at a major governmental location, just wait and see. Wow, how damn alarming is that? Does that give me some inside scope or some roadway to those that would bring harm to America? Whoops better call the boys in black cause Kent knows more than he's telling.

People should take it upon themselves to find out what's important to them. To depend on youtube, Cnn, leterman, opra or larry king to tell the truth and then decide what to do is about as ignorant as one can get.

I don't need anyone to tell me there are organizaed cells of middle eastern people plotting to do my nation harm. I can see it for myself, hear it for myself and come to my own conclusion, for myself.

All it takes is a drive around any larger or important city with some location of importance or public service like a hospital or a Federal building, military base or financial business and see who either owns or is renting buildings close by. Then take the time to see what goods they offer and sell and how much. Then watch to see what and how much is delivered and how often.

Go to the local stop and rob, speedway and other gas place that is owned and or operated by the raghead and listen to their conversations, and yes, I said listen, get in their business.

A corner store, small one that gets 2 trucks a day delivering a full load of 35 gal barrels every day for a year is not normal business. No amount of spices or goods is removed to justify this, yet everyone turns a blind eye. Never mind that a major trauma center is next to it, never mind that one of the largest AFB is close to it, never mind that the worlds top financial company is near it. No, just let them keep getting in whatever it is and don't question it, and that to me is as ignorant as it gets.


Adding a note here. I used the word ignorant a few times but not once was it directed to anyone in a direct manner, be it as defined or as used in common talk. My meaning? I could care less what websters says a word is, if a word that can be tossed as a slam is used directly to a member, I'm deleting the comment and anything else to do with it. It happens again, see ya. Anyone with a problem with me, take it to my PM inbox, for if you do it on a thread, well, not a smart move.

[donttreadonme]

My point is why are government officials saying things like this ?

short answer . Possibly -

Terrorism used by some in government for political gain . IMHO

Yeah things happen "real terrorism" but why as you said , tell the people and "Fan the fire" and spread the fear that something is going to happen , well maybe they'll wake up . "I guarantee it" and that's from the now , Vise President elect you would call him an arsonist if I'm the guy that fans the fire . I personally don't think anythings going to happen ! Well we'll see I think the American people will and can overcome an disaster natural or man made . Kent describe for me if you can , how these clips were taken out of context , please so I can explain it to other people .
Like I said I don't believe it ! The whole January 21st & 22nd thing .

As it stands I don't think these clips are out of context . buuuuut I Could be , and hopefully am wrong .

"A corner store, small one that gets 2 trucks a day delivering a full load of 35 gal barrels every day for a year is not normal business. No amount of spices or goods is removed to justify this, yet everyone turns a blind eye. Never mind that a major trauma center is next to it, never mind that one of the largest AFB is close to it, never mind that the worlds top financial company is near it. No, just let them keep getting in whatever it is and don't question it, and that to me is as ignorant as it gets."

Are you fanning the fire ?
Actually I'm not sure what your trying to say here . 35 Gal barrels of what ? where is this and when ?
Have you actually seen this going on and not asked the owner what's going on .
everyone turns a blind eye. including you ?

Democrats are a few steps away from the socialist . Did you know that along time ago the American Socialist party separated and some joined the Dems because as Democrates they were getting more done with the socialist agenda in DC ?

[Kent]

Did you not read all I typed? I clearly said to see and listen to things for yourself and not depend on clips like the ones you shared and the others widely placed all over. Most are sound bites, developed from a whole and offered in part to cause alarm and sell commercial spots.

As far as the corner store I mentioned? Yes, I saw those things and yes I reported them to any agency that would listen and when they told me I was over reacting and one even said I was an extremist, I got no where, so I confronted them. Stopped one day and flat out asked what was in the barrels, and got a broken english reply that it was bulk spices. When I pressed and asked to see inside, they tried to brush be off. When I persisted they tried to tell me to go away, and I reminded them I and they were in the USA, land of the free and all, and that I was standing on a public sidewalk and would take all day to watch them unload the items and if I wanted I'd even write down lot number and anything else I felt like. Glares were made and they hurried to get the rest unloaded. Two days later I was there again and taking photos, first from cover then right up in their faces. One reached for my camera and I told them when they touched me it was assault, so go for it and the cops would arrive soon after. They froze and then slammed the back of the truck down, locked it and shut the dumbwaiter doors and the store altogether for a week. The most I got from anyone was that the store along with almost all downtown building shared a common and long underground tunnel that in years past was the source of heat as the city provided steam to almost all locations. While this isn't as widely down these days, the tunnels are still there and they could if desired, get to the buildings of some important businesses.

What happened to the barrels or the contents? No idea. All I know is what can we expect when viable suspensions are brought up and the agencies turn their backs. Sheep, we've become sheep, so when something does go off, I hope people don't act surprised because they let it take place.

Flaming a fire? Maybe, but it's a fire that has complete proof for anyone taking the time to see for them self and not depend on some tv show, and that's all the news is anymore, a produced show, for ratings.