Casino Gambling in Ohio

[jstrats]

Does anyone have thoughts about Issue 6, 2008, allowing a Casino in Ohio.
I'm not sure how I'm going to vote on this.

[Peggy]

Truthfully, I'm not real sure either.

True it could bring alot of jobs, and revenue, to Ohio. I mean, people who gamble are going to gamble, whether here or in neighboring states.

On the other hand, I'm not a fan of legalized gambling, so I'm inclined to vote against it.

I'm kind of on the fence on this one.

[Kent]

I'm all for it, for a number of reasons.

Keep Ohio dollars in Ohio and away from indiana, PA, Michigan and other close states that have it.
Jobs, all types as well as new support jobs for outside services, transportation and such.
It will keep our taxes down, I hope.

The biggest opposition that I'm aware of has been that allowing them will increase criminal activity, well duh! Has anyone not been to Cincy, Dayton, Columbus, Youngstown, Toledo and other choice cities and towns here?
And some say it is feeding those that have an addiction to gambeling. Again, does anyone think those that claim they are sick or those that know someone they say is, that they don't find someplace to do it? Be it in the other states or illegal and unsafe locations, also found in any city, town and village?
It's here, it's not going away, and there is more benefits than cons, so for one, I think it's time to let it happen.

And as a former principle, don't you think that some might even do better in math and science so they can learn how to beat the odds? Count cards? Just a thought. ;)

[chesney40]

:ohioflag::sSig_nicethread:

[Peggy]

Yeah but what're your thoughts on the subject chesney - c'mon.......don't be chicken.... :hiding:

[chesney40]

but but but... I am chicken!! I love chicken!! :popworm:
Seriously, everything Kent said I have to agree with. The only thing I can think of to add with those who have the gambling problem. Well , they have to learn to take responsiblitiy for their actions.

I really dont say alot about politics. As I dont understand alot of things. I will say that I am sick and tired of the he said she saids going on in commercials. I think its time the politicians grew up eh? I'd much rather listen to what they WILL Do for us , and make decisions off that. Everyones got a past they arent too proud of. Its moving past that, that tells me who the real people are.:nerd:

BTW, if I had to vote someone in for president, I'd vote for Kenny Chesney LOL!!!!!!!

[jstrats]

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm inclined to vote for it. But there are some significant people, including the League of women voters against it. It will help the building trades and provide jobs. Wonder why Argosy is so against it. Probably will take some of their money. I have gone twice to Indiana. They took my money. And yes, learning odds, ratios, and working with numbers do help kids with math. Baseball, football, basketball stats do pump kids up especially during the NCAA. Anyway, I'm doing more checking into this issue. Hope everyone does. Keep those comments coming.

[topcatoh]

JS,

is it true that the casino will not pay any taxes???

[Kent]

I'm far from all-knowing on many subjects, and some, like this one I know just enough to get me in trouble.

As far as I know and have seen in the past with various new business attempts, some local governmental bodies will offer tax breaks and or abatements for so many years to entice them to build or open a major new employer. I've heard the tube and some na-sayers say it's a total tax break, but that just really doesn't seem right.

But say they've been offered a year, 5 years or even ten years, so? The state gives these type of breaks to GM, Chrysler, Standard Register and MEAD and I would think others, and then the local bodies give them the same or better, so why make it a huge thing if it's true in part? Now if it's a complete tax break, then I'd want to take a close look at who's bank account takes a sudden leap to the plus side.

Wonder why Argosy is so against itI'd bet they don't have a stake in any of the Ohio proposed locations, and you are 100% right. It will take millions of dollars away from them because the Ohio people will stay in state, and that means less bus tours, so less kick backs from those busing companies and the support jobs as well

What I am wondering is if the rumor and or story of one of them being owned by a so called native american. I say so called, because as I understand it, a person only has to prove they have at least 10% native american heritage to be classed as such and get all the damn perks and payouts and rights they get. Yes, I think it's a bunch of BS that native americans get a dime form doing squat. I won't get into that since it's off topic, but what would be nice is if these places, if voted for and approved to be built, would offer at least 40% of the ownership to public stocks.

[Peggy]

hey hey hey, leave my ancestors alone :mad:


;)

[Kent]

your ancestors, were not the fist humans to inhabit this land, and that's a historical fact ;)

besides, my yankee/cowboy great something uncle kicked your great something uncles arse back in the indian wars :rofl:

[Peggy]

I don't believe I ever claimed that they were the first humans to inhabit this land.
Now did I?

But just for arguments' sake... can you back that up?

[chesney40]

:ohthedrama::Pillow_Fight::th_hairbrushsmiley:Now Kids...... lol

[Peggy]

lol no problem here. He and I are always sparring....

[Kent]

lol no problem here. He and I are always sparring....

Nope, never did that I know of and I think your the only person I've met that had some native american blood in them that didn't make a big freaking deal about it, which is rare, so there :frog:


As far as backing it up, I could if I cared enough at the moment, which I don't, but it's in there with so many things that we get taught but aren't actually true.

Examples:
that christopher columbus landed on what is called mainland America, seems he didn't. Some respected historians now claim the closest he got was Jamica, so who knows.

Persons of colors, year, I detest terms like african American, but who doesn't know someone that claims they were the first slaves, or treated poorly by the big bad white Americans and want our tax dollars for what was done to their kin so many, many years ago. Boo freaking hoo, wake up and get over it. As far as modern America goes, it takes very little checking to find that those of Irish and Scottish blood were the first slaves. Hey, I have blood of both of those, so where is my money dammit!

Masturbation makes you go blind!! How many lived in fear of that, but did it anyway? It's just not true.

I could go on, but it's hard to see. Anyone see my glasses?



:rofl:

[Peggy]

I think just about anyone of foreign heritage can claim their ancestors were the first on American soil, or the first slaves....

Sorry but I need proof that what I was taught in school is false before I believe it. ;)
Until I see it, American indians were the first here, as far as I'm concerned.

[popowich]

I'm all for casinos and gambling. :wave4:

-Raymond

[Peggy]

Hey Ray, good to see ya here. :wave3:

[jstrats]

Well, I did a bit of research on Issue 6.

To TopCatoh: No, it is not true that the Casino will not pay taxies. I’ve listed several links, on taxes, the amendment itself, and the vote yes site (where you can email your questions).

There is a relationship between lottery (now includes keno monies), and Argosy (a competitor). After doing the research, I will vote yes. The amendment is very very clear.

Of course, lawyers can find all kinds of loopholes. Here are some of my questions.

Mmm, wonder why Argosy is so against Issue 6. Could it be that they are competitors to Great Lakes Entertainment and perhaps now to the Ohio group that wants to put a casino in at Wilmington. Do you think it will siphon off some business from Indiana? Ya think! Follow the money.

So Governor Strickland is opposed to Issue 6. Do you think that the casino is good for Ohio lottery system and now keno? Do you think that a casino would siphon off money from keno and Ohio’s lottery system? Does our governor have more control of keno and lottery monies? Casino money would go directly to Ohio’s counties? Follow the money.

I wonder why the governor did not put Keno to a vote? Mmm, I wonder if the casinos will be competitive force against keno and the lottery?

Sorry I’m so lengthy. Don’t want to bore anyone.

Taxes
http://www.wnewsj.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=156&ArticleID=169113&TM=5275.128

The amendment
http://www.yesonissue6.com/media/ApprovedCasinoBallotLanguage.pdf

Vote yes site
https://www.yesonissue6.com/faq/index.asp

at home site you can email questions to them.

[Peggy]

John, you're not being too lengthy and I, for one, appreciate the research you did.
I especially appreciate the links, so that I can read for myself and make an informed decision.

:sSig_goodjob:

[topcatoh]

J,
thanks for the information. I will follow up..
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[jstrats]

Here are the last two sites I will post re: Casinos.
“You decide on Issue 6”, Channel 9 video and links?http://www.wcpo.com/content/specials/2008/economy2008/story.aspx?content_id=2797fa50-e93d-472d-a290-fc604fae13cf

“The Buckeye Institute’s Report”: http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1206
At this point I will probably vote for it. At least Ohio will have a casino. Of course, that may change...I do flip flop a lot unless I'm cornered.

[donttreadonme]

I'm voting NO changing the constitution for some business men to get richer $$ is a BS reason to even mess with the state constitution . Constitutions are there to limit government not the people . IMHO this should be handled differently without changes to the constitution . VOTE NO VOTE NO

[Peggy]

Here are the last two sites I will post re: Casinos.
“You decide on Issue 6”, Channel 9 video and links?http://www.wcpo.com/content/specials/2008/economy2008/story.aspx?content_id=2797fa50-e93d-472d-a290-fc604fae13cf

“The Buckeye Institute’s Report”: http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1206
At this point I will probably vote for it. At least Ohio will have a casino. Of course, that may change...I do flip flop a lot unless I'm cornered.Thanks for the reading J. Very informative and appreciated.



I'm voting NO changing the constitution for some business men to get richer $$ is a BS reason to even mess with the state constitution . Constitutions are there to limit government not the people . IMHO this should be handled differently without changes to the constitution . VOTE NO VOTE NOEveryone's entitled to their opinion. But out of curiosity, do you have a reason for voting no?

[donttreadonme]

It's like this . Why can't we already gamble in the state ? why ? Because the government can't profit from it . So they invent a way to tax it and everyone agrees on it and poof it's law . The rich gets richer and the government gets bigger . Hey I'm all for getting rich but come on , our government needs less money and more unpaid over site by the public , that means you and me , Add to that an extremely harsh penalty for found corruption . We'll have enough money to do what is needed . Especially after we do away with some of the low income benefits , which is socialism creeping in on our Free Republic . There should be more laws limiting government not the other way around . :ohioflag:

[Kent]

hmmmm, that kornfuses me a tad William, or maybe it fits better if I said or asked, how does a Casino and all it would bring differ from from say,

Gas tax
Energy usage tax
Recovery tax
Sale tax
State income/federal tax
Any utility tax
All the various Local taxes
Water foul stamps
Deer License (tags)
Trapping Stamps
Burn Permits
Construction Permits
Business tax and permits
Toll Road fees
and on and on it goes

All of these generate income for one level of government or another, yet most are taken in stride, and yet some seems to fall within a right or a freedom to do by nature of us being, well, human beings?

Yes, some people with a vision are going to get rich and that has always been the way since the human race began and it won't change. I think a lot of the folks that are upset or say no are the ones that can't actually see a way to get heir piece of the pie. If it takes a law, mandate or a regulation to assure that a Casino(s) is going to pay some taxes, then where is the problem? I'd rather see one in place than know they have a loophole to get out of it.

No, I don't want more oversight groups and mindless government people to look over my shoulder but some is needed so folks get fair treatment and not screwed over by anyone. Making money is great, but do it fairly when you're taking it from the pockets of others.

[donttreadonme]

From what I understand don't the casino have to pay a huge profit tax . Taxes in general suck and always have . The casinos don't take peoples money , the people give it freely to them . So why should the government get any money from the casinos profiting from their business ? That's part of why I don't like it . I hear there are lots of loop holes in the amendment any how . What other businesses get taxed on there profits alone ? Socialism at it's finest . But I haven't fully read everything there is to read on the subject in fact I haven't read much on it at all . I just have a problem amending the constitution for this that's all . You should not have to amend the constitution to open a business in a free country . :ohioflag: